Clear scope breakdown
11-29-2012 | 05:55 AM
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From: The GF of FUPM
In the mean time we'll each collect at least 4 1/2 months FULL pay then saunter on down to IAH to get qualified to fly the guppy at a rate of pay HIGHER than we now make. I figure that if they pull that stunt their training department will get SO jacked up that it will take each of us at least two to three months to get fully qualled. That's a LOT of hotels and per diem! I wonder if they have to give the furloughed flight attendants and mechanics any furlough pay?
And since they cant even seem to man the airline in normal ops it will be great fun to watch! If this happens in a few months, we're into next summer and their habitual chronic under staffing. Not to mention they'll have to staff for retirements which start in two weeks. So, several months later (and each of us double dipping for the first 4 and a half) we may get to fly again.
Meanwhile the shifted flying will cost hundreds of millions due to the lost revenue and pax sent scurrying to other airlines. The press will have a field day and CHASE will go beserk.
I'm sure that would make tons of sense. Meanwhile UAL will have to continue payments to the lessors on the downed planes and pay to store them in the desert. And exactly how are they going to get around the T&PA restrictions on block hour flying at LUAL?
"You're being very un-Dude" How do you ever cross a street?
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11-29-2012 | 06:09 AM
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The total value of the contract as a whole lags Delta next year and exceeds it each year thereafter. If you really think that you can get a better deal by sending this thing back to the company and the NMB, go ahead. Thus far, UCH has been a tremendous disappointment in terms of financial and operational performance. If you think this outfit will do fine going forward with a cost structure significantly higher that that of the competition, good luck. I for one have little faith in any management ability to execute in this industry with a significant cost disadvantage in any area. The margins simply aren't there. IF we get a bunch more money injected into this thing to complete the cornerstones to your satisfaction, we can watch this outfit become an even slower and more lethargic competitor than it is now. I sure enjoyed UAL under the ESOP contract far more than I did under Contract 2000 (which lasted all of 2 years). I'll take a strong, competitive company with lots of movement over a weak, shrinking one any day. People forget than in the days before 9/11 UAL's loss estimates for 2001 were on track to exceed a billion dollars that year. 9/11 was simply a catalyst for the inevitable. If you believe this outfit can generate the "synergies" required to pay super premium contracts reference the competition, all I can say is been there done that. Good luck.
11-29-2012 | 06:19 AM
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Exactly how many years will it take Skywest to get a 737 training center spooled up?
In the mean time we'll each collect at least 4 1/2 months FULL pay then saunter on down to IAH to get qualified to fly the guppy at a rate of pay HIGHER than we now make. I figure that if they pull that stunt their training department will get SO jacked up that it will take each of us at least two to three months to get fully qualled. That's a LOT of hotels and per diem! I wonder if they have to give the furloughed flight attendants and mechanics any furlough pay?
And since they cant even seem to man the airline in normal ops it will be great fun to watch! If this happens in a few months, we're into next summer and their habitual chronic under staffing. Not to mention they'll have to staff for retirements which start in two weeks. So, several months later (and each of us double dipping for the first 4 and a half) we may get to fly again.
Meanwhile the shifted flying will cost hundreds of millions due to the lost revenue and pax sent scurrying to other airlines. The press will have a field day and CHASE will go beserk.
I'm sure that would make tons of sense. Meanwhile UAL will have to continue payments to the lessors on the downed planes and pay to store them in the desert. And exactly how are they going to get around the T&PA restrictions on block hour flying at LUAL?
"You're being very un-Dude" How do you ever cross a street?
In the mean time we'll each collect at least 4 1/2 months FULL pay then saunter on down to IAH to get qualified to fly the guppy at a rate of pay HIGHER than we now make. I figure that if they pull that stunt their training department will get SO jacked up that it will take each of us at least two to three months to get fully qualled. That's a LOT of hotels and per diem! I wonder if they have to give the furloughed flight attendants and mechanics any furlough pay?
And since they cant even seem to man the airline in normal ops it will be great fun to watch! If this happens in a few months, we're into next summer and their habitual chronic under staffing. Not to mention they'll have to staff for retirements which start in two weeks. So, several months later (and each of us double dipping for the first 4 and a half) we may get to fly again.
Meanwhile the shifted flying will cost hundreds of millions due to the lost revenue and pax sent scurrying to other airlines. The press will have a field day and CHASE will go beserk.
I'm sure that would make tons of sense. Meanwhile UAL will have to continue payments to the lessors on the downed planes and pay to store them in the desert. And exactly how are they going to get around the T&PA restrictions on block hour flying at LUAL?
"You're being very un-Dude" How do you ever cross a street?
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11-29-2012 | 06:27 AM
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I don't think that you should vote "Yes" because you don't think the company can "afford" an industry leading contract.
I do believe, after careful analysis, that this contract is more expensive to management than DAL's, beginning in 2014. The LTD along with the health insurance capped at 20% and the B fund + 1% combine to account for most of the hourly pay differential between JCBA and DAL.
I firmly believe that if this is sent back, you will eventually see parity with the DAL rates , however the total cost of the contract will not increase.
Ad to this the fact that the scope is tighter than DAL's and I feel this is a better overall deal than DAL's. If you question my analysis of the scope section, ask the IAH Capt Rep (who voted "No") what he thinks of the scope section.
I do believe, after careful analysis, that this contract is more expensive to management than DAL's, beginning in 2014. The LTD along with the health insurance capped at 20% and the B fund + 1% combine to account for most of the hourly pay differential between JCBA and DAL.
I firmly believe that if this is sent back, you will eventually see parity with the DAL rates , however the total cost of the contract will not increase.
Ad to this the fact that the scope is tighter than DAL's and I feel this is a better overall deal than DAL's. If you question my analysis of the scope section, ask the IAH Capt Rep (who voted "No") what he thinks of the scope section.
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