Originally Posted by gettinbumped

I was merely answering your question with a question. If you are saying Jay is to "blame" for something that is detrimental to the L-CAL side, I'm simply asking you what that is. I'm not familiar with anything specific. I listed 4 things that Jay Pierce has done to advance his pilot groups standing in the ISL (which I think will probably be worthless anyway) at the expense of the L-UAL pilots. That's calling a spade a spade. If you have a similar example put forth by "our Jay", then I'm all ears.

Your opinion on the merits of the TA are noted. I disagree, and think that in this day and age it's a good agreement. There are some very strong improvements for L-CAL pilots in the deal, in work rules, B/C fund, etc. etc. The pay isn't as big a jump as it is for L-UAL pilots, and I can see how you would be frustrated with the Scope clause (though I hear a L-CAL SME gave a impassioned speech in EWR defending his assertion that the Scope in the TA is better than what you have now. I wasn't there, so I can't confirm this). If the L-CAL pilots think the leverage is there to get a deal that is better, then a "No" vote would be appropriate for you. Just remember, it has to be $1.3 million a day richer just to break even. Any improvements would have to be on TOP of that. And, like it or not, there is value to the L-UAL pilots for the airplanes and growth to be accessible to everyone, not just one side at the expense of the other. Remember, however, that Jay Pierce and 7 of the 11 CAL MEC reps support this deal, so they must have heard something in "ground school" that made them agree with my assertion that this is a good agreement.

Lastly, I haven't heard one pilot on the L-UAL side saying that they think DOH is the way the SLI will/should go. If you are hearing that rumor, then I'm unaware of the source. If you hear it from an actual UAL pilot, ask them if they would still think it appropriate for the merger to go DOH if we had merged with USAirways instead.

I expect "our Jay" to put forth his best case for the L-UAL pilots when the SLI is being argued. At that point, I will have no problem with "your Jay" doing the same. Then the chips will fall where they may. The issue I have is that Jay Pierce has poisoned the waters several times during the JCBA process, which was supposed to be independent of the SLI argument. That is inappropriate and in poor form in my estimation, and results in complaints from the effected L-UAL pilot group.