Originally Posted by
LAX Pilot
So what about a guy who is ACTIVELY FLYING on the CAL side and has 7 years LONGEVITY total? Should a 3 year pilot that was never furloughed go ahead of that pilot on the integrated list?
And if that pilot gets his 7 years of longevity restored (maybe not all 13 or whatever he would have had) then all the pilots who were previously senior to him will still be.
So its not like there is a huge group of pilots who aren't flying, many of them are flying, and they are also being paid at their previous pay, so that is going to get looked at as well.
Also the reason that pilot might be senior to the 3 year pilot is because of union merger POLICY. Its ACTUALLY WRITTEN! Its says "longevity" is a consideration. So they certainly HAVE TO make an effort to include it.
Also merger policy doesn't care if you are an employee. Its about merging pilot lists. Throughout the merger policy that's what it talks about.
So those pilots are on the list, and they are being merged....
I imagine if you were that pilot, you would have a different opinion....
FACT: Current l-UAL pilots flying for l-CAL are NOT accruing longevity for l-UAL. They are akin to a new hire off the street for L-CAL(except of course, their pay).
So, YES a 3 year pilot flying for CAL should certainly go ahead of the pilot stated in your example because he/she is STILL furloughed! AGAIN, expecting a pilot currently NOT employed with UNITED to displace a CURRENTLY employed pilot is not only unreasonable it is a windfall for the furloughed pilot. Though merger policy includes longevity as a CONSIDERATION it is more forcefully against any pilot gaining a windfall.
I imagine if you were an FO that was expected to upgrade at 3-5 years (or less), flying for a company that was hiring for both growth and retirements, and financially healthy compared to a dying UAL then you would have a different opinion as well...
Though nothing we discuss on this board can affect the actual SLI, we can certainly discuss realistic expectations. I believe that the root cause of years and years of litigation and an angry pilot group is unrealistic expectations. To even suggest that an (in-voluntarily) furloughed UAL pilot should displace one CAL pilot (that was never furloughed) is unrealistic.