Maybe I am naive. A lot of folks who have been at UPS for a long time gripe the same way you do. I've never met any that aren't thanful for the job though. I don't see what you are talking about. The training I've received as a newhire FE and when I upgraded to FO was phenomenol--Much better than any training program I had in the USAF. UPS has taken care of me during two family emergencies. I'm making well over 100k in my second year and I feel like I've been stealing from the company.

I've never met my supervisor at UPS. I know he is one of the CPs only because our computer system tells me his name whenever I log on. The schedulers have been polite and professional and the folks at the UPS gateways are only concerned with how long it takes you to block out after you are loaded. It's not hard to do the job and go home and not interact with anyone in mgt. I could not care less what someone in mgt thinks of pilots.

I listen to other folks though. I am suspicious of the company. I'm waiting for the sky to fall but it hasn't in the nearly 2 years I've been here. As far as the job effecting your health, I don't see that either. I gained a little bit of weight after being hired but I attribute that to eating out a lot. You have to be disciplined in regards to sleep. It's easy to skip a day of rest when flip flopping schedules between work and time off. I can't function that way and I wonder how some of these 50 year olds enjoy life when they get most of their sleep during the sort.

I think the secret to enjoying a career at UPS is to be disciplined. At least for me I have to work out 3-4 times a week. When I get home at 9 am on a Saturday morning after flying all night I politely tell my wife that she has the kids and that I am going to bed. I usually can be functional after 4 hours of sleep and that enables me to be ready to sleep that night as well. You also have to be disciplined when it comes to bidding. I think a lot of guys at UPS get SJS or BJS (Shiney Jet/Big Jet Syndrome). The MD-11 guys are gone for long stretches and the 757 domestic guys fly a lot of legs. If you don't like being gone from home or flying a lot at night then bid the DC-8. Schedules and aircraft usage change but my point is that you have to find your niche. I came here thinking I wanted to fly intl, but have since changed my mind after seeing how great the domestic side is. Some intl guys can't stand the though of sitting the sort.

CRGOK is entitled to his opinion and I am willing to hear it since he had 10 years at UPS. But don't be duped to thinking that UPS is not one of the best jobs anywhere because it is. If you need your ego stroked and want to flirt with FA then this may not be the best place. But if you like a stable career with a lot of money and plenty of time off then UPS is it. But, again, maybe I am naive. The old dudes here tell me I'll change my mind once I learn the company. I keep waiting and it's been almost 2 years.

IMO choosing to go to a bankrupt carrier like United, or an upstart that is not making money like Jetblue, is insane. What is it that you need from a company? If it's a paycheck, variety of flying, great mx, stability, and unmatched benefits then UPS is it. And no I am not mgt.