Syd, you might be onto something. We should welcome them with open arms as fellow aviators, co workers, and might I add, union brothers. I'm sure they have untapped talents and wisdom that can benefit us all in the future yet have remained silent due to the perceived isolation. The only way we can start the process of true integration is to interact with all groups. As you well know Syd, the only true way to mend a distant soul is to "kill 'em with kindness."