JamesNoBrakes - exactly the point I (poorly I might add) was trying to make. When you try to tie the pay to the responsibility, in our case the number of people we fly, it still doesn't pay us what our training and skills deserve. The problem is, how do we put a number on it? I think $40k is a reasonable place to start, but how do we justify it? What is the basis / reference for our argument? Should the cost of our training be tied to a certain salary so that we recoup those costs within X number of years? I don't know what the right answer is and I don't think many people do. I do think it should be nowhere near as close to the poverty line as it is though.

Now, where's the number to that trucking company?