This bickering is very entertaining. It appears that we have a problem with perception (bias). Lets take a lesson in Logic.

Pilot A was trained in the military.
Pilot B was trained in the civilian world.
Therefore Pilot A is superior to Pilot B.

This perception is reality for many pilots.

The fact is, military training is intense and time restricted. It requires a strong work ethic and total devotion from the applicant.

The civilain world allows the applicant to progress thorugh the aviation certification program at their own pace.

Due to these differences, many pilots believe that a military pilot is better than a civilian pilot. Just a perception(bias).

I have had the opportunity to fly with all types. Men, women, black, white, hispanic, ect...... One thing I have found is that background, ethnicity, race, ect..... do not define the pilots skills nor do they define a professional. In many peoples perception(bias) these factors do.

Experince is invaluable, but without the "professional attitude" experience is means nothing. This applies to military and civilian alike.

All my meaningless babble above is only something I hope will allow you two to come to an understanding.

Flaps50, dont forget that when you first jumped into the military program, you had little if any flight time. If you were a rare breed, you may have entered the program with some time but I am going to make an assuption that you didn't.(I can hear my fathers words echoing "your making an a$$ out of you and me). You were trained quickly with few hours and put into a high perfromance airplane with low time, lets say 200 hours. You were to carry around troops, million dollar cargo, weapons, ect..... You were put into a relatively important position with low time. See the connection.
Lets also not forget the hull losses at Big purple. If we carried people, we would be out of business a long time ago.

Airsupport, I can undertand you getting upset. Nobody likes it when someone rains on you parade. The facts are that Pinnacle has had its errors in the past, and passenger airlines are targets. If you ask me, I am pretty proud of the safety record given the fact that Pinnalce puts low time pilots into the right seat and trains them to fly 1000 hours a year, sometimes 6-7 legs a day with a 8 hour reduced rest overnight(slow van gets you 5 hours in the bed). The fact that these pilots have only made the few mistakes they have is a testiment to the superior training or metoring that is being passed down by the Pinnalce Capts, LCA's, Sim instructors, ect....

I hope you both can come to an agreement that in a perfect world, all pilots would have tons of experience and would never make mistakes and would be fine upstanding citizens. Well, this is not a perfect world. The economy drives the airline and smaller profits drive airlines to take drastic measures. Many main line pilots are being raped by their companies(pay cuts, pension cancelations, dwindiling work rules, ect...) These problems are not lthe creations of low time pilots.

I am tired of typing and I imagine anybody who made it this far is saying this guy has to much time on his hands. Actually, I sitting with my preganant wife, and she is watching a pregnancy show.

And just to give some good info, the recent Pinnalce incident occured with an experienced Capt., and an FO with around 2200 hours.