Originally Posted by TheManager

So gearjerk, the answer to your questions lies in economics. Every business entity, and particularly those that are heavily energy dependent, have raised the cost of their product to account for those increases. Cruise lines, plumbers, rail roads, shippers, they all do it successfully. Airlines have done so as well.

Therefore, I don't share your view that we should except lower wages because crude oil costs more especially when the goods and services we buy cost more as the higher energy costs are priced into their products.

Despite the fact that the economy hasn't recovered in your view, the airlines are doing exceedingly well. Thank the unbundling of fees. You can also thank bankruptcy as it allowed debt to be shed or completely restructured. Recall that pension we all had. Thought so.

We can view what happened in BK two ways. The "compliant and be humble" view is to except Ed's idea he feeds Wall Street that we have accepted a permanent reset to wages and benefits. Or, you can view it as we gave up a large portion of our pay, work rules, benefits and pension to save the company and help in their time of need. Additionally, we are the same as the others creditors and investors. We need to see a significant return on that investment as the other creditors and investors have. We have contributed over "1 billlllllion" a year on the south side alone in savings post bk.

Thus, 4-8-3-3 does not cut it. It barely keeps up with inflation. How much longer do you want to be managements cash machine??? Every time there is a hick up, do you feel it necessary to give to help them out???

In closing, ALPA is tone deaf at this time. DPA would fade permanently tomorrow if ALPA addressed this, and made strides to assure their 5000 plus pilots that have signed cards that it's time to be compensated for our contributions and sacrifices our families have made to "save the company"; their words not mine. They can do this and still have a productive relationship with Mahogany Row. It's boils down to it just business, not personal. That is why gearjerk you should not feel compliant and humble about asking for your investment back. DALPA's plan to send reps, that were voted out of office and then placed on special committees, to overseas bars on FPL to convince pilots not to align with the DPA is ludicrous. That just feeds into DPAs strength. Having a back bone and explaining that we will be aggressively, yet respectfully, asking for our investment back going forward is appropriate. Remember, it is just business.