Originally Posted by Herkflyr

To play devil's advocate, because your post just invites it:




Because they never took an attitude of "burn the house down until we get the moon and then some." Their attitude was always "work hard, play hard, be happy with reasonable compensation that built up modestly every year."



Because they never HAD traditional retirement to begin with! It is easy for a company to avoid filing for BK so as to avoid paying crippling DB payouts...when the company never had a DB to fund in the first place!



Sure they did...for 30 f'ckin years! But as a buddy of mine at SWA once told me, while legacy pilots spent all their time figuring out how to turn one week of vacation into three weeks off, and all sorts of other ways to get paid for NOT working, SWA guys were working hard and enabling a prosperous company that could afford a decades-long string of modest, but consistent pay raises.



I disagree.



And were pretty happy to stay with said incremental gains.



Please get your facts straight. PBS wasn't even thought of until the avoid-BK LOA 46 in 2004. It had nothing to do with C2K. You claim reserve got worse with C2K? I claim it got a whole lot better, as the 12 hour long call window didn't exist until then, and ALL reserves got to sit two separate short call windows...EVERY single on call day prior to C2K.



See above. Why don't you just admit that you are a "just say no" sort who not only has never seen an agreement that he would vote yes on, but doesn't every WANT to see such an agreement. Why? Because voting NO is so much easier, and in a way almost fun.



More generic blah blah. Define "unity" please. With 4-8-3-3 you mean 13-3-3 right? After all the "4" came six months prior to the amenable date and the "8" on the date. Other pilot groups wish they had such problems.