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Old 11-25-2013 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Splash
Cynicism aside, that brings up an interesting concept. Can the pilot group be "sold", or does it make reasonable choices regardless of the presentation?
People make choices based on information. DALPA ensures nearly total control over the information and their purposeful disinformation. When pilots see they made a vote based on disinformation and pure BS from their own "union", it makes an independent union drive grow.

Originally Posted by Splash
It's important now because we've watched DPA "selling" for over 4 years, and less than half of the pilot group are buying. So, is the pilot group too easily swayed to make good decisions in the face of a "sell job"?
See above. Decisions are mostly information based. A shockingly high number of Delta pilots have decided that DALPA's information is mostly self-serving and sometimes totally false. Thus they've made the informed decision to go independent. Simple really.

Originally Posted by Splash
The DPA is clearly "selling". They have a unique advantage right now because they have no record for pilots to evaluate. They've never had to make a tough choice in a crisis. They've never had to count votes to see of the pilot group is with them. They've had 4 years, and we're not.
And they've had the distinct disadvantage of a shoestring budget, constant attacks from the DALPA Special Committee and hostility from management who desperately wants ALPA to stay. And with all those disadvantages, 5,600 Delta pilots turned in a card. If DALPA wasn't so blindly arrogant, they'd be embarrassed by this clear message from their members.

Originally Posted by Splash
How much longer does the "selling" need to continue unsuccessfully for the salesmen to pack it up, and start helping ALPA move forward?
ALPA will beat back any attempt at meaningful change. This is ALPA's turf and ALPA's ever changing rules...or just ignoring rules. It's not fixable. No possibility. Only an entrenched ALPA sycophant would call what DPA has done thus far unsuccessful. Whistling past the graveyard there dude. ALPA wouldn't fund a "Special Committee" to fight against an unsuccessful foe.

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