Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
No, you've chosen the tried and true Saul Alinsky method of painting your opponents as nut case conspiracy theorists rather than debate facts. You do that because you're emotionally driven as opposed to logic driven.
Not so. I've listed my reasons for my conclusion that ALPA is a better choice for representation than DPA. My theory is that many DPA supporters, such as yourself, have difficulty with the fact that they are usually in the minority on major decisions facing the pilots. The conspiracy part comes into play when National or the organization itself is blamed for decisions the pilot group makes, that you don't support.
Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
The separation between votes and opinions is not theoretical. Some TA yes voters voted yes because it represented the best contract they'd ever seen in their careers. While other yes voters despised the concessions in the TA, but voted yes because of the fear and threats put out by DALPA. Same votes, but totally different opinions.
Those, my friend, are theories. Here are a few more. Some voted no because there was no deadline, so it was impossible to have gotten every penny we wanted from the company. Some voted no because that's all they EVER do. Some voted no because they hate ALPA and wanted to see failure. Some voted no because they are bad at math. Some voted no because rabid no voters misled them.
ALPA paid for reps to publish their perspectives, and to work the lounges to support the position they took on the TA at the MEC level. Our reps voted no, and told us why. So when you flame ALPA about "selling" the TA, please tell Tucker and Smetana you never read their stuff.
Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
It's absolutely amazing that the "ALPA no matter what" guys like you try to claim that a 62% vote FOR the TA was a vote of confidence in DALPA.
I'm amazed at those who characterize other pilots as extremists without considering using that label on themselves.
Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
Dispute the percentages all you want. But there's no way DALPA would be spending over $80,000 on a Special Committee to kill DPA if DPA did not have a significant percentage. But you're right in that the ultimate burden of proof is on us as DPA supporters.
Rather than argue about the definition of the word "significant", can we agree that the actual number of valid cards should not be a secret?