Originally Posted by
LowSlowT2
I didn't say "...the most qual'ed guy is "really" in charge." - I asked who was the SQ/DO going to yell at? I didn't ask what was legal, I was addressing what your conscience can put on an airline app.
You miss the point. I ALWAYS told guys it's their call...unless they're going to hurt me, bend the airplane, or get me violated. I sat back and watched LOTS of buffoonery...it's the only way young guys will learn - let them make mistakes. BUT you don't, and can't, let them violate rules (your turn in holding example). You don't LET them bend the plane. If you do, it's your arse as the EP/IP...regardless of who has the "legal" A-code. Who is the DO going to yell at?
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I reread your original post, and I don't think I missed your point. We just disagree on who is ultimately responsible. You seem to think a guy higher qualed then the A code is ultimately responsible (Who is getting yelled at). I don't.
In my squadron when a crew screws up the SQ/DO yells at all of them and then dismisses the copilots (MP/IP/EP qualed guys) and then has a long ***** session with the A code (could be a young Capt, recently AC qualed). Because being the A code MEANS something -- you are ultimately responsible and you alone are going to get the brunt of the DOs wrath.
Does that mean that the old head EP gear jerker is not going to speak up when the young AC is doing something stupid? No, every crewmember has a responsibility to speak up, and a smart AC would be wise to rely on his experienced crewmembers.
But back to the original topic. If you are EP qualed and listed on the orders as a gear jerker, then legally, and consciencely, you cannot claim that time as PIC. Do guys do it? Sure, there is no way for an airline to question it. I only brought up the subtopic because some posters in this thread have what I believe IMHO,is a misperception as to what the A code is and what it means......