Originally Posted by
CBreezy
Sometimes it helps to just pull out the FAR and do a little casual reading. It's only like 20 pages.
"Flight duty period(FDP) means a period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member. A flight duty period includes the duties performed by the flightcrew member on behalf of the certificate holder that occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without a required intervening rest period. Examples of tasks that are part of the flight duty period include deadhead transportation, training conducted in an aircraft or flight simulator, and airport/standby reserve, if the above tasks occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without an intervening required rest period"
Also there's this little thing:"(b) Any reserve that meets the definition of airport/standby reserve must be designated as airport/standby reserve. For airport/standby reserve, all time spent in a reserve status is part of the flightcrew member's flight duty period."
See? Easy.
Airport/Standby Reserve is only part of an FDP if it occurs BEFORE or BETWEEN flight segments within an FDP. It doesn't matter when they assign an airport reserve block--the FDP terminates at the end of the last aircraft movement by the same crewmember.
I have highlighted these terms below. Feel free to read the Clarification Letters and FAA commentary in the rulemaking notice, where the FAA explicitly states that deadheads, airport/standby reserve, and flight simulator duty are only part of the same FDP if they occur BEFORE or BETWEEN flight segments.
If an airport/standby reserve block is on your schedule 1 minute after you block in after a turn, that's a new FDP, and you're starting it without the required 10 hours rest--aka you're violating FAR117.
Everyone needs to get out of the mindset of "legal to start legal to finish"--that no longer exists--it doesn't matter what your schedule looked like when you dutied on--if you underblock an hour, then have a sliver of 1-2 hours in between block-in and a new airport/reserve block, good luck if a Fed asks to see your schedule--you're sitting airport reserve and didn't get 10 hours rest immediately preceeding the time you started it.
"Flight duty period(FDP) means a period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member. A flight duty period includes the duties performed by the flightcrew member on behalf of the certificate holder that occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without a required intervening rest period. Examples of tasks that are part of the flight duty period include deadhead transportation, training conducted in an aircraft or flight simulator, and airport/standby reserve, if the above tasks occur
before a flight segment or
between flight segments without an intervening required rest period"
I don't see the word
after flight segments in the statute--do you?