Originally Posted by
80ktsClamp
Yet we gave when we didn't have to give in the face of the company positioned (and it did come to fruition) to make more money than it ever has. If you would admit that, we can move on. That is the whole point here.
The 717s weren't guaranteed by the contract, so I'm going to stop you right there on any points you're trying to make about that.
I will concede that there were improvements for rsvs and the ADG was better than nothing. I'm on the airbus and most of the time a lineholder... I avoid trips where it goes below 5:15 a day unless it's for a green slip.
The DPA is self mitigating, but the attitudes and spin by ALPA guys have done nothing but promote their cause. The C2012 spin was worth almost 1000 DPA cards all on its own. If you check the sales job at the door, you're doing us all a favor.
btw- we ARE allowed in lounges of places where we aren't based- what's your point there? That's a very bad precedent if that is the justification for them getting booted.
Why are we still focused on 2012 ? Why do we continue to view 62% of our fellow pilots as idiots for falling for a sales job ?, maybe they looked at the facts and voted accordingly. Maybe our TA was the best offer we were going to get, prove me wrong, obviously you can't just like I can't refute we might have gotten a better offer. Two facts: Delta was going to make a record profit in 2013 regardless of us signing the TA ( 2014 is where the company realizes the big bump ).
The rest of the industry has caught up giving us a big advantage vis a vis 2012 when we were already ahead of most of our competitors.
Did we learn from 2012 ? I think both DALPA and the pilot group learned from the whole 2012 TA process, both good and bad. We as a group need both pro and con views, that's why I continue to waste my time on APC, I just hope we all pull on the same end of the rope for contract 2015