Originally Posted by
Pilot7576
4A2B...
Like I keep saying..go and talk to your negotiators from last time. Or if that is too difficult, talk to WS on your negotiating cmte this time. He is familiar with the issue even if you aren't. You can believe what you want but what happened is fact. The higher rate was pulled by ups when your rate became public with the mediators. There were no "strings" attached to that rate as you suggest.
The major difference between our negotiations is that we have to negotiate with ups for what Fred gives you guys as being part of an airline (versus trucking company) as well as any advances we get in our contract. How much negotiating capital did your union expend for sleep rooms in MEM? After talking with our negotiators from last time, I would really look at your scope clause. UPS offered us a whole bunch to take your scope clause instead of the one we negotiated. You may be fine for now, but when Fred's replacement steps in, a weak scope clause is the first thing I would worry about.
JTF
Pilot7576
I agree we have significant issues to watch and work on at FDX. However my discussion with you and Lil Seinfeld was a reaction to your dual assertion of this pay rate undercut.
So in the interest of "learning" from our mistake, from your viewpoint that is, how would you guys have done it differently if you had a do over in 06? What specifically would of been the course of action that would of allowed you to retain that no strings attached pay rate? So that it does not happen again, seriously we need to know.
Lastly, I have spoken to our 06 NC on many occasion and I am fully aware of what happened from FDX ALPA side. I never disagreed that you had higher rates on the table, in fact ALPA did know about them but that did not mean they were realistic, attainable or right for our CBA package in 06.
Thanks