Recently finished flying a four day with CALWonderCapt..... nice guy. In fact all the CAL guys are nice... this guy was educated, accomplished, successful.

He claims he lost 15-30% (dependent on how many drinks) seniority. I went to the SLI Dispute page on the MEC Website, downloaded the CAL seniority list and compared it to the SLI... he gained about 1.5%. I sure would like to know what seniority list the CAL pilots are using to show how screwed they got... Can anyone link it or describe where they got it? When the CAL guys talk about getting screwed, they are right.....

Continued discussion just turns into rhetoric and baseless comments. I heard 'I don't know' too many times from pressing questions. Conspiracy theories were not excluded. It is interesting that I haven't found one CAL pilot that approves of CAL ALPA or Jay P(os). Jay Pierce is really persona non grata. To accept him as one of us, is disgusting.

I think the real issue is, the CAL guys were really done a disservice over the years. The scabs really screwed them over with the pilot culture, being managements lapdogs since '83. This continued on with the IACP and CAL ALPA... management basically was the union and therefore the pilots. CAL pilots have been trained to be dollar hungry... don't ask questions, how about 150%? It's hard to be a real professional union pilot when the scab force and the dollar hoes are ubiquitous.
Thus, when the interactions between the two pilot groups began, the incompetence and ignorance of the CAL pilots was apparent. Still is. The CAL pilot attitudes, even today, on this thread, are about ego defense. Certainly not facts. (not that the UAL pilots/union is all things wonderful, but the competence level is stark)

While I've had CAL pilots tell me to my face.. "sorry, UAL furlough time means nothing, they deserve nothing" ... ( translation, "F you....." ) in fact it does mean something. And ALPA merger policy that CAL pilots agreed to, says it does. Just because you think merger policy sucks, doesn't mean you got screwed. And the list goes on.. but how can you expect a pilot group that was marginalized, scab lovers and thrown some dollars to suddenly be an engaged, mature reasonable agents in this whole process?

Look at the PS award. You'd like to think there would be some humility. There won't be. Insecurity, denial and ego defense are human nature characteristics... I've already heard comments that CAL pilots deserve the PS and they will never wear their pin... How long will that last? Look at the East Airways pilots. So much money left on the table.... they rather be stupid and poor. Ego is powerful.

If CAL pilots choose to be slick ties, marginalized and ignorant, that is their choice. Some CAL pilots won't. Most UAL pilots won't either... the new United pilots despite their legacy background, who choose to engage as active agents in their union will be more successful.

The CAL pilots got screwed.... by themselves... and its easier, more comfortable, to make the UAL guys the scapegoat, than look in the mirror and admit incompetence and ignorance.

If the 05-07 CAL wonderkids, the future gen, choose to be slick ties, and not represent themselves, they will be screwed over the course of their career. Not intentionally, but if they refuse to engage in union affairs to represent themselves, they shouldn't expect much. But I am sure we'll hear from them.... like chainsaws for the next 30 years.