Originally Posted by
El Gwopo
The MEC (both CAL and UAL) are trying to get the 05-07 guys on board... so we can work together.. against... management....
Now this is interesting an statement. I'm one of these 05-07 guys that you mention.
I have a question...is there a management team on planet earth that LUAL would like to have? I don't know the history of United as well as many of you but I know you all didn't like your recent management. Who do you like? Will you ALWAYS hate management? I fly with guys who liked Gordon and some who didn't. But it seems you guys hated EVERYONE. Please tell me if I'm wrong because I genuinely don't know. Who was LUAL last great management team?
The legacy United pilot side difference wasn't management. It was the pilot group, including the mid level pilot managers that made being a United pilot enjoyable... respectable.... professional.
You've heard it before, from the new hire treatment at United (wing ceremonies at a company paid dinner) to nice aircraft pictures and coffee table book for retirement. You know the CAL experience so I won't detail it. But it was the pilots, not management, that made the pilot experience at United what it was... IOW, screw management, we don't want or need them to define us, (they will fund it though
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I can go into any legacy united chief pilot office and talk about scabs, ALPA, the profession, etc....( I got my scab clicker in ops.)
I am not comfortable doing that on the CAL side..
The pilots on the United side made the job/career what it was... we all engaged in the process... and if guys weren't actually doing union work, you knew they supported the guys who did....
Sure there were problems... the internal political fighting on the U-MEC was complex, nasty and counter-productive.
So I guess, the question becomes... what do you want?
I'd be glad if the 97 hires, NY Air, and PE guys would get on board, but my focus is the 05-07 hires. Let's see if the following can stick or degenerate into another ****ing contest.
The CAL MEC/NC/Merger committee did a poor job.
CAL pilot expectations were poorly managed.
Compare your MAD 2010 Seniority list to the ISL.
Read, actually read, the ISL opinion and award.
Accept that CAL pilots accepted ALPA merger policy and it was applied fairly.
There are no conspiracies or back room deals.
The chances or decertifying ALPA or overturning the ISL are low and highly expensive.
Reconcile all of this.... close the history book... Look forward.
I can type for hours how management has and will continue to divide us....
By now the CAL guys know that not wearing your pin is a hard core FU to every United pilot. What do you hope to gain in the long run?
With all pilots on board, sans scabs, we can do two things:
Get the best contract we deserve.
Create the best pilot culture and profession in the world. Yeah, I just said that... the World.
The choice is each individual pilots.... get engaged and unified, or get divided and owned. What do you want?