Originally Posted by
syd111
Just like I figured, just shooting the mouth off as usual. I can only hope you are not really a Ual pilot and just come on here to stir the pot. I was not "harping" just asked a simple question from your previous post, of course just some random silly response from you. Your comment about anything I lost was fair says plenty about you and how you look at things here as a group.
No Syd, I look at what the UAL group lost post 9/11 and it amazes me how you as an individual can't see past what you lost compared to the loses of other pilots in the group. if you are a 777 Captain, you're like all 777/400 Captains who lost some but no where near what the bottom 2-3,000 pilots and many in the middle of the list lost. Was it the pilots fault for not being able to foresee the events and plan accordingly, NO! Was it the poor ALPA leadership? probable when you look at the cast of characters with their hands in the pot(Whiteford, Bathhurst, Wallach, Morris, Heppner). Did management play a role. Most definitely, the airline industry had been shut down for a few weeks when Jim Goodwin got on national TV and stated that if United keep losing money at this rate - we'd be in bankruptcy next year. Didn't take the money people long to realize what could happen if the events carried on any longer and we got "good ol Glenn" to maximum their return while selling off assets and destroying lives. I know that's a lot of BS to you but can you really be that selfish to expect a premium contract given what the MEC was working with. Jeff and the CAL MEC working together against our UAL MEC to ensure the CAL way of live would continue at the expense of the UAL pilots. What was that way of life? Jeff wanting to keep cal work rules, cal MEC trying to stealing Captain seat, seniority, PS, delaying JCBA and the list goes on.
All of that was to say this - in the 4 years leading up to 9/11, I made between 200,000 to 225,000 a year. Afterwards I saw a constant erosion of pay through surpluses, bump, equipment base closures, parked airplanes. Do I feel entitled - NO! - and neither should you. The bottom of the list was hit the hardest, with the middle of the list not far behind. To get any contract that stop the blood bath going on at those senority levels was well worth it. Even though SYD wasn't made whole, you and I have time to make it up and if we don't have time to do that then we can feel good that we did the right thing. Carry On!