Originally Posted by
longhauler
EMB-190 seats 10% more people than the 900, so there should be a difference.
Mostly, I agree that more seats should equal more money. But then I look at how UPS does it, and maybe they're on to something. But along the lines of more seats=more money, look at the 744 and 777 at both UAL and DAL. Not always so black and white/cut and dried, is it?
Originally Posted by
longhauler
DAL and UAL have a 195 scale as well.
True, sorry, don't have the DAL scale handy for the 195, can you post it? But here's the UAL one for 2014;
CA yr 1 141.81 yr 12 154.48
FO yr 1 66.10 FO yr 12 105.51
Originally Posted by
longhauler
Tack on the 16% DC into the mix and you have a very com-probable view.
Agreed. But keep in mind, those things are relatively "new" if you will. Considering the post 9/11/BK's and the days of frozen/terminated pension plans, and FINALLY being able to get DC's BACK.
Originally Posted by
longhauler
Pay rates are only one component of the over all pay basket. JBL has done a nice job of raising that portion of the bar.
Again, agree. The 3 different CBA's I've worked under have proven this point EVERY year of the 15 I've worked under them. So it's not like your point is a new one to me. I know 2 JB 190 CA's that broke 200K last year, and they're on track to do it again this year. And I'd hardly rate their QOL as miserable, bad, or substandard while hitting those numbers. So yep, it's not ALL about the pay rates.
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT flaming you nor peeing in your cheerios. But in the mantra that some (NOT saying you) take of "we're a legacy airline!!!!!! we've got the BEST of everything!!!!!!! The best rates, the best retirement, EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!", the legacies that have CR9/EMB190/195, or whatever else are going to have to step up next round. At least for the guys that like to brag about EVERYTHING anyway.
And I know, I know....... If/when the legacies DO see those aircraft show up, they'll be "junior, the pilot won't be on them very long......." Which is always a good thing. But then ask a UAL narrow body FO that was luck enough to NOT be furloughed and barely clinging on to a narrow body seat. With a crappy pay scale, a crappy monthly guaranty, crappy work rules, whatever.......