Originally Posted by
Typhoonpilot
I'm sure we can go round and round debating the relative merits of the Ex-Im financing versus alleged damage to U.S. carriers, but the fact of the matter is that they are helping the one major manufacturer of aircraft left in America to compete against a subsidized European company ( Airbus ). That provides tens of thousands of high paying of jobs to American workers.
Yes, I'm sure we could, but I'll try to keep it down to no more than 10 rounds.
I'm all for jobs for American workers. Mostly I'm for pilot jobs for American pilots. I'm not as much for union-busting employers who move those high paying jobs to plants in right-to-work states to keep wages and benefits down. But I digress.
Originally Posted by
Typhoonpilot
U.S. majors are buying the heavily subsidized Airbus products at lower cost to compete just as much as foreign airlines are buying Boeing products with good finance rates.
U.S. majors are not getting better deals from Airbus than anybody else, but foreign carriers ARE getting better deals on financing Boeing jets than U.S. carriers can get. Those foreign carriers compete AGAINST U.S. carriers and cost us U.S. pilot jobs.
Originally Posted by
Typhoonpilot
Those sub-Saharan Africa carriers buying Boeings sure aren't a threat to U.S. majors, are they? It's not like DAL, UAL, and USAirways are serving Khartoum, Addis Ababa, etc.
Can you detail for me how a Middle Eastern carrier ( Emirates, Etihad, Qatar ) transporting passengers from secondary cities in India via their hubs in the Middle East are hurting U.S. carriers; their pilots; or their alliance partners who never served those cities?
Also detail how using Ex-Im financed Boeings to fly passengers from Lagos, Accra, Abidjan, Conakry, Luanda via Dubai to Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Hong Kong is in any way hurting U.S. pilots or U.S. airlines.
If it were only Khartoum, Lagos, and Accra, it would be a different story. But it's not, and you know it. I'm looking at a map of Emirates, for example, of their 20 "Top" destinations. 6 are in the U.S. U.S. carriers compete for business in most of the other 14, like London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Delhi, Bejing, Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Singapore, and Sydney. For every Emirates B-777 serving San Francisco, Los Angeles, Houston, Dallas, New York, or Washington, D.C., we could have a major U.S. carrier with U.S. pilots. How is United expected to compete against a state-owned airline who buys Boeing airliners at subsidized financing rates?
I can go to the Emirates website to see more U.S. destinations that it serves. Boston, Chicago, Seattle ... who wants to go there? How about these airports ... when I go to Emirates' website to book a flight, I can choose from these departure airports:
Austin (AUS)
Baltimore (BWI)
Boston (BOS)
Buffalo (BUF)
Burlington (BTV)
Charlotte (CLT)
Chicago (ORD)
Dallas (DFW)
Denver (DEN)
Detroit (DTW)
Fort Lauderdale (FLL)
Fort Myers (RSW)
Houston (IAH)
Jacksonville (JAX)
Las Vegas (LAS)
Long Beach (LGB)
Los Angeles (LAX)
New York (JFK)
Newark (EWR)
Orlando (MCO)
Philadelphia (PHL)
Portland (PWM)
Raleigh (RDU)
Rochester (ROC)
San Diego (SAN)
San Francisco (SFO)
Sarasota (SRQ)
Seattle (SEA)
Syracuse (SYR)
Tampa (TPA)
Washington (DCA)
Washington (IAD)
West Palm Beach (PBI)
It's funny how you didn't mention Ex-Im financed Boeings flying passengers to and from U.S. cities, even though the list is long. That's a lot of U.S. pilot jobs.
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