Originally Posted by
GrapeNuts
Pre-merger career expectations of the west and east prior to the merger... What do you think that is? I would say that involves the Nicolau award, there wasn't going to be another arbitration otherwise. Unless, you have some sort of inside EF info here, I do not know. But it you want to go down the "career expectation" path, the 1.5 billion you cited was after the snapshot date, not before. You need to keep things relevant, which on here is sometimes hard because this a message board based on opinions.
That said, wading through your verbiage above I only got out of it one argument: The Nicolau is dated therefore it cannot be used because AA is now in the picture. Again, that is quite a stretch to disregard it with just that kind of thinking because clearly the west can agree that it has already occurred and therefore cannot be undone. The onus is on the east to explain why an east/ west seniority list which has already been accepted by the company should not be used. You and your east friends can declare the Nic dead, if I had a quarter for every time an east pilot said that I would be retired by now. But if that is the best you have then I will rest pretty well, if the west gets a seat at the table.
The arbitrators will decide what pre-merger career expectations are and what weight is given to that factor.....and BTW, it isn't simply me that's promoting that concept, it's APA. Anyone who has done any research into AA's financials and what the C11 was about, knows what AA's valuation was and what future it had. Just as in the UAL-CAL SLI, our final SLI award will contain the arbitrators full evaluation of that factor as well as the financials present at merger and future expectations and how those all factored into their final ISL if it is. Again, it seems no one really READS my points, but simply stops reading early and inserts their own bias.
I'm not speaking for my "friends" in the East's position on the Nic and never have. Yes, THEY don't want it used, but I've never said that and in fact, have said closer to the opposite with the West getting a fair shot at arguing for it and an opportunity to do so. What I've also said though is I don't THINK it will be used and I've also said I don't CARE if it is. Those are just MY personal opinions. My belief also is that if it should be, a more complicated SLI would result with mitigators like fences which would be included to offset its negative impact on AA pilots.
If the West committee doesn't get a seat at the arbitration table, then for all intents and purposes, the Nic is dead. The West may then sue someone for DFR, but that wont change a final Nicless ISL, only obtain damages if successful. The arbitrators are off-limits, USAPA will be long broke be then (5-7 years) and that leaves APA, who considering they threw that question in the laps of arbitrators, aren't likely to lose. Again, personally, I have no problem with a West committee nor arbitral consideration of the Nic.