Originally Posted by
cactiboss
Eagle, this is all my opinion, but you cannot be serious. For one, not using the Nic. is way more "unclean" by wide margin than using it. That is a simple undeniable fact. The Nic. places all 3rd lists below active pilots and furloughs at the awa/us merger date and accounts for all positions back in 2005. Don't use the Nic and now you have 3rd listers on both lists with disparate hire dates, you have west furloughed flying a330 east etc. a real mess.
Why you insist the Nic. hurts AA pilots I cannot understand, it would equivalent of me saying the MIA new hire widebody fo's are proof that widebody's are not premium flying. Think of it as PHX being a super senior base in the Usairways system because that is all the effect Nic. has, it's no different than that new hire 767 driver in MIA not being able to hold the same in dfw, your dfw based pilots still bring that mia seat to the table.
Unfortunately yes......I am serious. I'm basing my position on the reality that the Nic was never consummated be it right or wrong and had little chance of being consummated in the foreseeable future. There were no 330's in PHX, so I fail to see how I should consider it senior (at least in that respect) as no West pilot could reasonably expect to see that aircraft anytime in the forseeable future. The East ALPA/USAPA guys screwed you no doubt, but the issue is no longer in the U/AWA vacuum, but has escaped and is now impacting a new atmosphere that also must be considered. Only the arbitrators opinion on what impact, if any on that counts though.
I guess we just differ in consideration of what "reality" is in that regard. You believe US Airways AA pre-merger reality was a Nicolau world and I see the claim of that world as (and don't take this personally) a fantasy. A fantasy not that such a belief isn't valid (a delusion), but a fantasy in that it ACTUALLY didn't exist and had no real expectation of existing in the future due to the unalterable positions of the two combatants. That's just the way I see it. Again, unlike USAPA, I support your right to have the opportunity to argue just the opposite. Whether you get that opportunity will also be decided by arbitrators.