And isn't there now a minimum 121 experience required before upgrade to captain? Therefore the new FO (even at 1500 hours) is not equal to the new 121 PIC experience requirement. The lowest time pt121 captain will be a military 750 hr ATP new hire FO who then does 1000 at the 121 level. So 1750 for military route, 2500 for civilian? I don't know, I haven't actually read the book.