Originally Posted by
80ktsClamp
The point we're trying to demonstrate is that the DPA as it is is dead. They had a real chance a few years ago but it was squandered. Every last holdout supporter on here has given up the ghost. There are only a few stalwarts remaining on a private delta pilots forum.
Maybe later another entity will come along that has a real plan, but to come on here spouting what you are is ignorant to the current situation.
I believe you, but I doubt nationals resolved to maximize the scope of flying operatied Delta and United pilots.
This is my primary concern.
Originally Posted by
Denny Crane
Originally Posted by flybywire44
Originally Posted by flybywire44 View Post
You need not bargain for any scope going forward. Just keep scope exactly where it is and regionals will fade and you'll solve the pilot shortage.
I don't normally get involved in these "discussions" but I have to ask you a question. If I recall correctly, one of the major arguments you gave for getting rid of Alpa was the perceived conflict of interest with regionals represented by Alpa. Haven't you just undermined that entire premise with your statement above?
Denny
I wish Denny, but I am afraid that ALPA won't "just keep scope exactly where it is..." because of current paradigm.
Hundreds of regional aircraft have been ordered for scope clauses that do not yet exist. Why are we not upset about this?
Originally Posted by
gloopy
Says who? This was thoroughly vetted in the courts and the only "direct" link whatsoever was the meet and confer clause. That's it.
That's debatable, but I'd hope we "bargain" for it anyway. At the very least secure 100% of all current gains and at least some degree of sunsetting in the contracts for the larger DC-9-10 outsourced jets. Its long term crucial, I'm a long term thinker, the price has never been lower, and there isn't anything the regionals are going to do about it in the courts.
As fun as it will be to see them pathetically flail around trashing yields and trying to re-invent the wheel with the C-Series/Mitsubishi/Sukohi/next big thing, the last thing we need to be doing is partially subsidizing them in any way.
Agreed!!!