Originally Posted by
eaglefly
APA BOD will have to take a risk; Either reject with the expectation of arbitration and the possibility of Parker making a last ditch effort at partially saving this situation (which maintains their credibility), or accept and face a significant chance of rejection at the line pilot level putting us all right where we'd be had they rejected, but with them losing credibility in the process. I can't see the APA maintain their credibility by punting this to the pilots, because whatever they send to us, they'd really have to stand behind it.
Personally, I think the APA should reject the unsweetened offer as the COMPENSATION as a whole is little better then what arbitration would provide and quite frankly, likely worse. Now, Doug (and Route 66) want you JUST to be dazzled by pay rates (and quick increases too
), but Jet Blue and Spirit have pay rates too. As a whole, arbitration will mean a little delay for a significant pay increase that will still trail Delta and be an average of them and United and NONE of the concessions they're demanding in return UNLESS they are valued out in arbitration and we are compensated elsewhere for that valuation. Even SOME of those additional concessions are likely to drive our rates ABOVE the rates in the Parker/Glass proposal. I don't think they can have everything cost neutral. APA should announce that they regret that they are unable to stand behind what management is demanding and it's NOT a competitive package and that expecting a longer duration with no options treats it like a section 6 negotiations only in their benefit and not ours. Those pay rates are being financed by concessions elsewhere.
Additionally, just like the rest of the world, at least you will know exactly who the new management team is at the "new" AA (same as the old) and likely where this airline is headed (forward to the past). There's another reason IMHO to prefer arbitration and that is that it has a higher probability of route 66 coming apart at the seams and being led away via straight-jacket.
Dude, I have BEEN out on the line asking the same questions with our line and "Route66" isn't the only one talking about the company proposal. Maybe that "FAT" 777 Captain who speaks for everyone in the room should get the APA blanket party.
But the numbers in PAY that the company offered are VERY GOOD. But he is also saying "HEY, THE NUMBERS IN ARBITRATION ARE ALOT LESS" but hey, even though we are NOT is Section 6 %17 on signing, Delta +3 1st 2015, 2016, 2017 is VERY GOOD!
Did you even listen to Parker? They KNOW what you are going to get 01 January (%3 above now), they KNOW what you're going to get 2016 (DELTA AND UNITED CONTRACTS don't become amenable until AFTER that).
Don't look at ME coming unglued. You guys are the ones who come unglued when if and when you ever do the numbers.....which you won't because all you can say is F--K MANAGEMENT AND F--K THE AIRPLANE YOU RODE IN ON!