Originally Posted by
Wiskey Driver
Why are you even shocked? These are east pilots and they only care about themselves and that much by now should be a given in your and everyone's eyes. It really does not matter to them either way. Take the deal get a big pay raise, don't take the deal and still got a big pay raise. Its a win win situation when just a year ago top capt pay was less than 12yr fo rates at AA. They hit the lottery and they don't give a dam about APA or APA pilots, its all about them.
Continue to expect the hard line push to accept a 6yr deal loaded with loa question marks and land grab opportunities. The same old mantra of "we'll get them next time" is alive and well.
WD at AWA
This coming from a hypocrite West Pilot. We have no love lost for the ALPA ilk you and yours like McIlvenna tried to push by OFFERING TO HELP THE COMPANY turn in East Pilots for three engine taxi. YES, WE ALL SAW THE CREW NEWS. Keep your seat trash.
Originally Posted by
eaglefly
Well, I certainly don't think all East pilots feel that way. Clearly though, it would seem a majority here do. I'm not going to judge them all by one psychotic loose cannon.
REALITY CHECK, CHUMP. You and yours have NO ROOM TO TALK with an almost fifty MILLION dollar fine from the Dallas District Court. Still uncollected so far but I look for that logic of yours to up the ante and very soon.
for your final paragraph, well history would lend some credibility to that.
History that the West and the APA BOD voted OVERWHELMINGLY for!! Don't let the FACTS get in your way.
Again, I think the APA is in a tough spot credibility wise.They not only ushered in the wolf, but SOLD him to the pilots.
NAAAA....YA THINK?
They shot craps on profit-sharing selling that back for 26 million and lost.
And YOU, the righteous APA pilot, blame LUS East for that? The rest of the world is LAUGHING at your superior intellect.
They're waving an honorable flag at the furloughees regarding LOS, but that almost certainly will result in a goose egg. The claim situation was a fouled up sham from stem to stern. They went mute on the LTD gutting and most pilots are totally unaware of how little it will provide. Then there's the robocall Wilson made to neuter the effectiveness of his own pilots. The list goes on.......
And I'M ANTI-UNIONIST GIVE AWAY? You...YES YOU GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR, GAVE IT AWAY. But don't look at me.
The scope requests were simply manufactured onerously to make it look good by subsequent removal as Parker has nothing to lose there at he can't get anything in arbitration on it. Thus, if the APA just punts to the pilots now, they'll look like they've been played successfully once more and quite frankly it will only result in MORE fragmentation in the future and a weaker cohesive group. Another win for Parker. It may be painful (for now) to reject THIS offer and shoot craps with arbitration, but I think in the long run, it's the better play, at least to align more resolved pilots.
You've been in Dallas too long sniffing the Book repository and sun-bathing on the grassy knoll.
Damn, according to MY math the 7 asks by the company are small potatoes. If you DO THE MATH ON A SIMPLE CALCULATOR, the new hire $30 difference, multiplied by 73 hours per month times 12 times per year times 15,000 pilots times 6 years is $2.3652 BILLION dollars (yes with a B) in conservative dollars NOT INCLUDING ALL THE INCREASES for longevity, pay grade, etc. I do NOT need a calculator for the seven items the company asked for because I really don't think they mean OR add up to the company much.
What has knee-trembling capitulation gotten ANY of these three pilot groups in the past ?
Who said anything about our KNEES are trembling. The reality is there is NO BUMP in arbitration and "taking you chances" is ONLY A FOOLS ERRAND....because there IS NO BUMP UP IN THE ARBITRATION!!!
Here is a REALITY CHECK. I bet if the company said "Hey, forget about the seven items, were just going to PAY you those rates come 01 December...NO CONTRACT, NO NOTHING ELSE.....are YOU going to tell EVERYONE THAT THEY CAN'T DO THAT AND GIVE IT BACK???
I don't see anything good there. If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten.
How about the "rank and file" gets punished for the lack of DUE DILIGENCE ON THEIR PART TO.....
READ THE M-O-U!