Yes Franky uphill both ways, no gloves or boots to keep warm. LOL. I guess my points is that a guy/girl that has only been with EAS only a few months complaing about the sched, pay etc. You know what you signed up for. I try never to complain and escpecially to guys/girls that were here when it was 15/3. I enjoy EAS and maybe that's why I take offense. Let me just clarify that most of the guys/girls that I have flown with are very good and do a great job.