Originally Posted by
CanoePilot
Negotiations are over. It's done, there is nothing more the company will offer or needs to offer. We aren't getting a min calender day and we are not getting group 3 for the 321 and with the offered pay rates the 319 at aa pays more than the 757 at delta and united.
Usapa sent out an email this afternoon and its pretty clear that we will get a 27% raise. That is a lot of money and none of these so called concessions are worth the amount of money the company is offering. Most of the things the company wants won't even affect a 1/4 of the airline. I'm not willing to give up all that money because someone can't get to the airport within 2 hours.
lax got it right and once again phl and clt reps are the largest agitators.
I believe the real negotiations begin once the arbitration starts.
There is a lot of uncertainty on the proposed rule changes, so I think apa needs to do a better job on informing us the best and worst case scenarios for each one. If there is a grey area, I'll be conservative and would rather keep status quo.
Even of delta or united have something , it doesn't mean AA will treat us with the same respect/interpretations as them. How many times has a rule been proposed to change that we are unsure about and it helps the pilot group? Rarely.
I came from colgan where we had no work rules before we got a contract (that lasted a year I think) so I think the order of most important aspects goes scope, work rules, then pay.
On C and R someone was saying how the midnight sim would be horrible for the 787. It's stuff like this I don't know and need to be educated on by apa.
Right now I'd vote no in a heartbeat. If they educate me and sell it properly of course I can be swayed to the other side. Only time will tell.
It's just irritating to see people come on here and just quote the pay difference. No voters aren't stupid, we know it's a difference.
I don't trust mamagement. I'm happy that texaspilot thinks they are really trying to do the right thing and just give him extra money. The rest of us live in the real world.....
That being said merry xmas from the great CLT airport! Can we get holiday pay??
