Originally Posted by
PilotJ3
Good I made you laugh pops.
Thanks son.....and I'm a nice guy to pull gear for too.
Originally Posted by
PilotJ3
Keep dreaming man...the flow was good for you but not for everybody else. Hey, I voted yes now...I voted no in bk and in March.
You voted like that ?
Sure you did.
Originally Posted by
PilotJ3
It's time to think for ourselves, you hate so much eagle that I believe you would be happy if they close the airline. AA is becoming the biggest LLC of the world...it's not the same place it used to be and it never will.
I don't hate Eagle, I'm just trying to paint a more realistic future based on the FACTS of the past and not fantasies of some of the present greenhorns.
Time to think for yourself, eh ?
Interesting. Suppose you flow over in 3-4-5 years (I'm not sure of the exact date in your fantasy) and as a very junior AA pilot in the typical bottom 15% nail-biting "furlough fodder" zone something unforeseen occurs and you are either subject to furlough or caught in a stagnation cycle and the majority senior also still being "pops" like me vote on things that won't prevent your furlough, like concessions ?
Hint : AA pilots have always eaten their young and the older they get, the less likely they will be to sacrifice their paychecks and pocket books to keep you employed.
As a pilot who clearly possesses a magna cum laude concessionist attitude like you, you'll not blame those more senior at AA (AKA the majority) for then also "thinking for themselves", will you ?
Of course you will. Why ?
Because you flip your logic like the wind when it suits your interests, have no interest in the past or mistakes made and well,.......like most of the present generation who demand instant gratification, "it's all about me".
Good luck kid. But you sound exactly like the rest of us when we were young, self-absorbed and full of pi$$ and vinegar and history has sooner or later always repeated itself in this profession and guess what ?
Just about the time you DO flow (whenever that is), if the cyclical nature of this profession hasn't proved itself once again, it is destined to do so soon.
Originally Posted by
PilotJ3
Like I said before, the flow should be the plan Z for anyone, the plan A should be get hire anywhere before flow. But hey that's ok... Don't come to envoy people, go to PSA, MESA, RAH, Compass, any place that will take you away from Envoy.
Yes, ANY "flow thru" should be your back-up, because like it or not, there won't be enough mainline pilots slots for every hopeful that want them, even with the retirement schedule at least for 15 years. The point I'm trying to make is that any present regional pilots shouldn't flush there present seniority at regional X to come to Envoy for its flow-thru. That's the riskiest move they could make right now. At the very least, they should wait 12 months or so to see how things shake out and I think if they do, they'll breathe a sigh of relief they didn't allow themselves to be suckered into a knee-jerk reaction.
I find it humorous though that you babble about me supposedly "hating" Eagle, when clearly you hate the other regionals that you feel are responsible for your present situation. I can see why then it would be desirable to try and shaft them by strangling their recruiting. Clearly, there is a reason for your bias in favor of Envoy and its to inflict damage upon those you feel have done you wrong. My position on the other hand isn't based on an agenda or emotion, but simple practical reality based on the past and even more importantly the PRESENT conduct of your management who arguably has been the worst of the lot when it comes to fair treatment and honoring promises.
Hey, Parker's lied to us too and if he's willing to do that to us at AA, I can only imagine what his plans are for Envoy and putting the success of a shrinking regionals flow-thru, I assure you is NOT among his priorities.
But, if you must go ostrich, that's up to you.