Originally Posted by
awax
No medical, see 61.23(a)(3)
No recent experience, see 61.57
The Old Guy received dual for the entire flight. Lots of people get tripped up on the sole manipulator phrase while not being qualified, current, or legal to exercise the privileges of a certificate.
Irrelevant.
The pilot was rated in the airplane, and sole manipulator. He may log the time as pilot in command.
Logging time as pilot in command is not the same as acting as pilot in command; two entirely different things.
One does not need a current medical, nor does one need recency of experience, to
log the time as pilot in command.
One does need a current medical and the appropriate recency of experience to
act as pilot in command.
Originally Posted by
awax
I'll continue to disagree, two pilots may not simultaneously log PIC when one pilot is sole manipulator of the controls and the other is acting as pilot-in-command if the regulations governing the flight do not require more than one pilot, which is the case here.
Again, you are incorrect. The FAA Chief Legal Counsel has addressed this on numerous occasions and issued multiple letters of interpretation making quite clear that both pilots may log pilot in command time when one is rated and sole manipulator, and the other acts as pilot in command of an aircraft requiring more than one crew member.
A pilot acting as PIC while serving as safety pilot in a Cessna 172 may log PIC for the time that the rated sole manipulator of the controls is wearing a view limiting device. During that period, the sole manipulator requires a safety pilot, and the safety pilot is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft requiring more than one crew member under the regulation; both may log PIC.
Originally Posted by
EMAW
Careful with the second one. With no Flight Review and the pilot-buddy not being an appropriately-rated Instructor, the old guy can't log it at all. If he's logging it, and the actual current pilot is not, who's signing for the aircraft? If the current pilot's name appears nowhere, he becomes a passenger which is a no-no.
Absolutely incorrect.
Two pilots: one is out of date, no recency of experience, no medical, but never the less, rated in the aircraft (category and class, and if appropriate, a type rating). He may log pilot in command time for that period in which he acts as sole manipulator of the controls. He may not act as pilot in command, but then logging time as PIC and acting as PIC are entirely different things.
The other pilot, regardless of status as an instructor, acts as pilot in command. He is responsible for the safety of the flight. There is no legal requirement that he "sign" for the aircraft, but he does bear significant legal responsibility as the ultimate authority regarding the safe outcome and operation of the flight.
There is no requirement that the pilot in command's name appear anywhere, in order to be PIC, and failure to "sign" for the aircraft doesn't make him a passenger. One need not log it at all, and in the case you address, say a VFR flight in a single pilot airplane in which someone else is sole manipulator, the acting pilot in command is in a position in which he isn't qualified to log the time as PIC, while the other pilot (despite lack of currency and medical certificate), can log the time as PIC.