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Old 01-15-2015 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilottim79
Holy crap. Your cap FO pay is equal to second year FO pay at TSA. How could you not be profitable? Is upgrade really 7-10 years? I mean how are FOs not quitting in droves?

I had no idea.
He's making a prediction of upgrade times for a new hire starting today.

Current upgrade time is about 6-7 years. Keep in mind that we have almost zero people hired from 4/08 to 4/10. For a list of about 2300 pilots, we only have 53 pilots on the seniority list from 4/08 to 4/11 (i.e. 53 pilots for 3 years on the seniority list). Historically, we lose about 30 guys a month or 360 pilots a year. Upgrade times will be dropping as soon as they start getting past the 4/08 hires, which should be this year. Even if you take into account the guys coming off the Q400.

Opinions are like *********s, everyone's got one, but I'm just not seeing 7-10 year upgrades happening at this point. I don't think we will ever get back to 2 year upgrades, but at current attrition rates, with no growth, we should settle into an average of 4-year upgrade, assuming no increased attrition and assuming 1 in 4 guys leaving is an FO, which is a reasonable assumption IMHO once the rush to places like TSA/PSA finishes.
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