The false assumption with the majority of these long time regional pilots' posts is that most newhires at mesa are CFIs with 1500 hours of time in a piston single in the pattern. In my class there were a couple of those, but by and large the majority were prior 121, corporate, overseas contract, military, etc., many with more turbine time than the instructors and who made a move to mesa for a quick upgrade so they can get on with their career. Some of the senior guys who got screwed by the industry and kept plugging away getting stuck in the regionals need to realize that a lot of these "newb" FOs have paid their dues elsewhere and probably aren't as much of an air disaster waiting to happen as some of you all would like to proclaim on here. Looking at the latest classes info on Marcias email I see more CFIs than not, so maybe all those types I mentioned are in TSA/PSAs classes now (until next class since we just started announcing more growth) but before you paint a picture of all these crew rooms filled with 24 year old dorks who built their time playing flight sim in mommy and daddy's basement hoping to upgrade on their one year work anniversary of their first ever flying job, give some credit where credit is due. If someone sucks and can't hack it, they will likely get weeded out long before they are in the left seat. If they don't, that's on the company and its many check airmen and instructors. people come to mesa for one reason, quick upgrade. Don't expect any other reason to come out of a newhires mouth because there really isn't one. So stop complaining about it. Want to complain? Complain to Alvin that our newhires are so terrible and entitled and we need to stop hiring these guys with 1500 hours and convince him and JO that we need at least 2500 and 500-1000 turbine pic, bc without that, people are unsafe and can't make decisions. That seems to be the consensus amongst some of you all. I'm sure that will be a lovely conversation.