Originally Posted by
CBreezy
I'm sorry you are unable to comprehend simple analogies in a point/counter-point discussion. This is going to come across as patronizing but is clearly the only way you can understand.
Awesome display of douchebagery!
Originally Posted by
CBreezy
Point: Skywest hasn't set any bar and is happy enjoying the fruits of others.
Analysis: Here 24 is drawing a conclusion that the contract at Skywest (non-union) only exists in its current form due to the diligent efforts of unionized pilot groups, like Mesa. I'm making an assumption that this poorly veiled insult is disguised as "without Mesa's union and others like Mesa, Skywest would be in far worse condition."
Not sure how long you have been in the industry, but yes it is a little known fact that historically when gains were made by others through collective bargaining that the Skywest student council would "negotiate" and deliver something very similar to what the unionized carriers negotiated.
As to my conclusions as reflected in your "analysis", I don't ever recall championing the Mesa contract as a pillar of regional contracts. What I have noted is that the Mesa pilots have had to waste a lot of negotiating capitol fighting JO....Freedom Air comes to mind. They've also been through bankruptcy recently, and are currently operating under a bankruptcy agreement.
So your "analysis" is false as I was talking about ALL unionized regionals, and without ALL unionized carriers' collective efforts I would argue Skywest wouldn't have some of the things that they do in their handbook.
Originally Posted by
CBreezy
Counter-point: Skywest is eating fruit. Mesa is eating rotten...something.
Analysis: Keeping with the theme of fruit, I chose to make a contract comparison between the unionized Mesa with non-unionized Skywest. Skywest's contract is superior to Mesa's in almost every single way even though they don't have a proper union. Mesa's contract is one of the worst in the industry across the board with the exception of line-guarantee. I purposely left it open-ended so that one could draw the conclusion that it is silly to say that the unionized group of Mesa and their "efforts" to raise the bar has lead to Skywest's far superior contract.
Again, you make it sound as though Mesa is the scourge of the earth. They are most certainly on the lower end for regionals for reasons I've pointed out ad nauseum, but the gap between the lower and upper is thin.