Originally Posted by
FaceBiter
When is United going to start the phone interviews?
Phone interviews for bottom of the barrel applicants flying 70 seaters is a joke.
We have over 12,000 applicants right now, we can do what we want. Heck, maybe running down Quebec Ave in a pink tutu should be added just for you.
5-7 years from now it may be a different story, heck we may even be handing out UAL seniority numbers to freshmen at ERAU.
Whatever your fascination is with the "top-notch" hiring methods at the "elite" regionals like Skywest, it's noted, but it still would not have changed the fact that new-hires sometimes make jacka$$ moves and get fired. It happens at every regional, face-to-face interview or not.
Originally Posted by
Coneydog
This is exactly right. A phone interview and a job offer to fly a 175 when you haven't even met the person?? Come on now....that's ridiculous. Anyone would have to admit that.
Originally Posted by
Coneydog
I am not saying Mesa pilots are the bottom of the barrel either. Rather, I'm just saying the interview process, or lack thereof, invites people into the company that have no business flying an airliner. Meeting a person face to face can tell you a lot. Not to mention a quick sim ride.
Just because the applicant is hired over the phone doesn't mean Mesa doesn't have an obligation under Federal law to perform the necessary background checks. In fact, people have been asked to leave in the middle of indoc because something popped on their background. It's the price Mesa is willing to pay instead of flying applicants to PHX to do a face-to-face interview. Fact is those background issues would pop regardless, an it's usually a small percentage, so why not get the "meat in the seat" instead of having the applicant sit at home waiting to be cleared to start?
Originally Posted by
FaceBiter
I think it's retarted in any context.
For the sake of your argument hiring a current RJ driver with a clean past, training record and education is not nearly the same as hiring a HS dropout with DUI's and 5 check ride failures who has never seen the inside of a cloud and was working at Chuck E Cheese 24 months ago is not the same thing.
Thinking that a US 121 carrier doesn't perform all necessary background checks because they do a phone interview is WICKED RETARDED!
Originally Posted by
milehighskyline
I Felt that the interviewer got to know me a lot better than a standard interview. The phone call was two hours long. They ask more personal questions than any other standard interview that i have done. the Frasca sim is a joke if you ask me. Who hasn't played Microsoft flight sim. I have seen a RAH guy crash the sim and was offered the job in a limo ride back to the airport. And you can always find a gouge online for the written test questions. and if you have your ATP you already took those freaking tests anyway. So i don't see how a traditional interview works any better.
My point exactly!
Originally Posted by
Luv2Rotate
Example... facebitten
The guy did something douchie during indoc, and is really not indicative of the hiring process.
Originally Posted by
CBreezy
And how is that fair to the pilot? Instead of a "no thank you," you now have a PRIA event. We aren't talking about seasoned professionals but young and naive pilot, like yourself, that truly believe that nonsense.
Really???? So you're saying you need a "back-stop" to protect your carreer in case you don't have the ability to get through training? That is pretty weak. I mean you and Facebiter come on here conveying the "holier than though because I interviewed, took a written test, and flew a Frasca" bravado and yet you're concerned about having a training issue and possibly a ding in PRIA. That is priceless hypocrisy!
Originally Posted by
FaceBiter
It's "stupid" until one of these quick upgrade wonders hired over the phone with a well documented junk background ends up getting people hurt. Then when congress realizes what's going on we will all end up paying the price.
But wait, why get all defensive when someone brings up the long upgrade time at Skywest? (See the quotes below)
Originally Posted by
FaceBiter
How to know when you're getting down to the truth re: Mesa.
When the "you must've failed out" gets drug out of the closet.
Originally Posted by
FaceBiter
7 years eh? Time for a new comeback there chuck.
Originally Posted by
CBreezy
At my airline, the upgrade is shorter than yours. Try again bub.
Originally Posted by
FaceBiter
ELOHEL... time to update dem facts jack. You tied yourself to the wrong boat, the USS Quick Upgrade is sinking.
Quick upgrades are bad right?!?!?
Originally Posted by
Luv2Rotate
Wrong, upgrades have now broke into 2011 hires and dropping at SKW.... This shallow thinking leads me to believe you have not done your due diligence...
But facebiter says that's a bad thing, it's "dangerous"!
Originally Posted by
ScottyDo
4-5 year upgrades at an almost all 50 seater operation that's going to shrink like crazy once 50 seaters go bye bye. Yay! Sounds like a great thing!
Yeah, it's fun watching the Skywesties and TSAers boast about their positions when a good portion of their UAX fleets will probably be parked over the next 5 years.
Originally Posted by
Luv2Rotate
Don't see them going anywhere anytime soon. In fact, it's much easier to lose aircraft which you DONT nor have the ability to own...
So when UAL says "we have no more use for 50 seaters" (and yes that day will come), for whom do you envision you'll be flying them for?
Originally Posted by
FaceBiter
Madam Secratary Darant, could you please for the love of sweet baby Netflix please, Tl;dr. Use it. Russia will appreciate it. Don't make me dispose of you like Mr. Walker.
At least he can make coherent, fact based posts that normal adults can read and debate with. You on the other hand are like the "peaked in high school Rob Lowe" from the Directv commercials.
Originally Posted by
FaceBiter
Might want to get the crystal ball polished up. Especially when upgrades at all at you airline are predicated on "if the rumors are true". ELOHEL'ing.
Most regional airline progress is predicated on rumor, no need for a crystal ball, just look at history.
Originally Posted by
ScottyDo
Okay so I just finished IOE last week. (DFW based) and just got a call saying I was given a line for the entire month. I'm confused. I just looked on crew web and sure enough a line for all of this month.
And once you get consolidated expect to sit on reserve and do nothing while all the open time is used to build consolidation lines for folks coming out of training, at least that is what happened here in IAH.
Originally Posted by
Paid2fly
The point you're missing is that if pilots would stop selling out and working for the "bottom feeders", then those "bottom feeders" would have no choice other than improving the pay and benefits to staff those places! The cheerleading being done for employment with J.O., Hulas, and B.B., etc. is not helpful to the profession, or any employees of those "bottom feeders" in attaining improvements in their respective contracts!
Originally Posted by
Luv2Rotate
^^^^^ THIS....
Oh and PSA did have a choice. They chose to stab Eagle pilots in the back after they signed off saying they wouldn't accept the same crap package Eagle turned down... Scumbags.
You Skywesties crack me up......you do realize you guys are non-union and that everything you have was given to you because others negotiated it. You guys work for some of the "smarmiest" management folks around. You are in no position whatsoever to point fingers at those who collectively bargained in this industry, because all you guys have done is collectively taken.
Originally Posted by
logic1
All true. I also remember when Eagle signed a 16 year contract.... not exactly helpful for many way back then.
That thing was horrible!
Originally Posted by
LTdan
I keep hearing that new hires are either not showing up to class or are leaving mid ground school, anyone else hearing this?
I heard they only got 12 in the most recent class.
Originally Posted by
PilotCrusader
Just saw on our envoy forum that MESA is offering to make the majority of each current ATP Flight School IPs loan payment, if they sign with MESA. Nice move.
Agreed, and I'd expect to see more of this stuff. It may eventually happen at the majors.
Originally Posted by
Paid2fly
The "tired talking points" are being made by you and flapshalfspeed! The facts are if J.O., B.B., and Hulas were unable to staff, they would be forced into offering better pay and benefits! Your very own J.O. has stated the fact that he see's no reason to improve things as long as suckers(aka new hires) keep showing up. Flaps says the majors would just move the flying to other regionals... That's the point, if J.O. and the rest of the "bottom feeders" don't want to lose their contracts, then they'll be forced to move pay and benefits up, instead of being used as an excuse, by management at higher paying regionals to refuse any gains in negotiations!
Once again your refusal to accept the truth is only hurting efforts by your group to make gains. Do you really expect to get a new contract with decent improvements in the near future if they are able to continue staffing without problems?
Jerry Atkin, and 2 failed ALPA drives, any questions?