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24/48
Maybe you missed the UAL Q1 report, but UAL is INCREASING the 50 seater draw down. Things are rapidly changing, and changing on a monthly basis. We are interviewing as many applicants as possible with a huge percentage interviewed getting a class date. That trend will continue, and anything prospective applicants can do to rise to the top of the stack is a good thing. That would be things like TPIC, LCA, instructor, community service, and so on. Working for the best regional with the best contract is NOT on that list. But hey, if it makes you feel good to knock Mesa then have at it, but you may be pulling gear for some of these guys in the future.
ROFLMAO! You work for a company that created alter-ego GoJets! A play made by Hulas straight from JO. The only difference is that Mesa squashed the alter-ego attempt by obtaining scope protections. Those protections cost them dearly in pay and QOL, and they have yet to find a favorable environment to negotiate in.
So Mesa was created to circumvent the collective bargaining of others? Like GoJets or something?
Your revisionist history lesson is a joke!
I have a lot of friends at XJT, many of whom chose to stay there rather than coming to CAL when the opportunity presented itself. Now, they are busting their ass to get that number at UAL, several thousand numbers junior to where they would have been had they jumped at the CAL opportunity in '05-'07. One of the big reasons was the pay, QOL, etc that the XJT contract offered vs. the scab-contract we had at CAL. It was a valid point at the time, and though no one can predict the future, focusing on improving a part of the industry that is dying a slow death vs. focusing on making yourself as marketable as possible is a fools errand. Ask the senior XJT'ers if you'd like. We don't care what your lineage is, unless you crossed a picket line, or how awesome your contract was, we care about the quality of the resume.
No Dummy. Goldenjet is a GJ pilot. I work for a company that did create GJ but the pilot group has improved the contract leaps and bounds since then. What has the Mesa pilot group done to improve working conditions? The upgrade time at TSA is shorter than at Mesa. So, why go to Mesa again? You claim that TPIC is the most important factor but you do so while sacrificing QOL and pay. At Mesa, you're going to make 5-10k less than at TSA per year flying bigger, new aircraft. If Mesa had a hard time staffing, I would be willing to bet they would have much more leverage with their contract negotiations. But it's fine. You can justify one of the worst benefits and pay packages in all of aviation. You can say, "go to Mesa because you'll be at United in no time!" What's the reality? Have you read the hiring sections? Many people from United are saying civilian pilots are averaging 10,000 flight hours in new hire classes. Even if that's an over statement, you're still looking at spending no less than 5 years at a regional. The best leverage Mesa has is the pilot pay shortage. But keep telling these kids that they'll upgrade and be at United in no time. That's a lie. The very few going to the majors with less than 3000TT right now are the military or incredibly well connected. Otherwise, with a Bachelor's in English from State U, you're one of several thousand.
United is parking 50-seaters and no one is denying that. Going to place like XJT or even Envoy right now might not be advisable but I would be willing to bet my career (hence why I'm here) TSA or TSA/GJ/Compass in its current size will be around for quite some time. I'm not even saying TSA has the best contract. There are many areas that need lots of work. Unfortunately, the ones with the best contracts are the ones that are shrinking.