I think more the attitude of the IPs than anything else. Both places have super old people (like me) working in the training department. At envoy, many have lost their Medicals and haven't flown in a long long time. They live in this alter reality they think is real. We all know a box on stilts is NOT real and never will be. Generally what you have are people who are usually separated from their students by decades in age and they have been teaching and checking the plane "forever", so they are always amazed at how little us line folk know. Funny. I have been flying this jet for 10 years, and SAABs, and Jetstreams, and ATRs. Never once have I had an issue in training or ever had even an ASAP on the line. When I got to training, I still give it a 50/50 shot of having some knothead try to make me feel like an idiot.