I hate when we hear union leadership talk about " back in my day". We all know pay rates and work rules were worse when these guys were FO's. That didn't make it right then, and it is not an excuse to accept it now. Sometimes we are our own worse enemy when we start to take an attitude of well I had to pay my dues so now you have to suffer the same. If you suffered through the same kind of financial strains all the more reason they should be sympathetic to those who are new to the industry. It is also a different world for pilots. Not everyone needed to have an ATP, not everyone had the experience they have now, and not everyone paid 100K+ to try to get a shot at this career. There also was not a huge demand for regional pilots that we have today.