At the moment, flow to American from PSA is 11 years(Envoy is 16). Next year, it will decrease to 9.5 years. By the end of 2016, early 2007 hires will start flowing to American. Some 2007 hires at Envoy can't even hold captain right now. Currently, upgrade times at Envoy are eight years(longest in the industry besides expressjet and endeavor).