Originally Posted by
Avroman
At my company, the extension language has been interpreted to mean that the 30 minute extension is automatic and requires a fatigue call to get out of. The 2 hour extension is at the pilot's discretion and can't be forced. But if you are deadheading at the back end of the trip, your 117 duty ended at block in and you can be scheduled to deadhead up to 14 hours after report, extendable to 15 hours for delays, no refusals allowed. Quite a gem for us reserves, to then get 10 hours before having to be back at the airport. I want to see duty end at the hotel on arrival, and start at van time so it's actually 10 hours AT the hotel.
I don't think you have a winning argument against deadheading limits after your last flight. If you are not flying after, the FAA has no reason to limit it. If you push to limit it, then you would effectively ban pilots being able to legally nonrev home. Now, if you deadhead extends your duty past the FDP limit, then you should receive an increase in the minimum 10 hours of rest. Right now, I think your actually deadhead has to go over 10 hours for that to happen.
Originally Posted by
NoSidNoStar
The debrief time should count against the rest time, and it does not. There is a contradiction within 117 itself about this when it's said the rest it's free from any duty, but later it's said the rest start at the end of block time.
The debrief time shouldn't be included in the rest time. Your FDP ends at block, but your debrief is part of your duty period. In most cases, the debrief should be a minimum of 15-30 minutes after you block in. Then rest starts from there. If you have maintenance issues pop up, you need to adjust your duty off time and rest start time.
Originally Posted by
Mesabah
The possible 18 hour duty period of a reserve is absolutely atrocious, and must stop. (4 hour call out + 14-12 hours duty)
I agree that the 16 hour limit for 4 hours of short call plus FDP limit with an extension on top is bad, however, the reserve pilot should not be signing the fit for duty form if they are not fit for duty. The FAA has stated this. If they feel pressured they should be filling out an ASAP.