I'm not going to try and sell anything, but I feel like I need to debunk a common statement I keep reading. This whole 14 year flow thing. AA DID NOT HIRE at all from 2001 till January 2014. If they don't hire they don't flow. So making it sound like once someone gets here it takes 14 years to flow is distorting what is happening now. That's like zooming in on ones stock portfolio in 2008-09 and saying if you invest in the market this IS what will happen, and ignore all the great return that happened post recession. The last decade was the " Great Recession" for us pilots but Look at the big picture. If you come to envoy you will more than likely flow simply due to the mass retirements that are upon us. Or if you choose you can apply to other airlines, like any one else, and get hired and move on. It's pretty simple. We're nothing superior when it comes to contract, pay, etc pretty middle of the road, but having a guarantee job, whenever it happens, with a mainline is kind of nice. My 2 cents.