Originally Posted by
Gearswinger
Gotta be honest, no. I just tune out everything you write. Your opinion and history are useless. Go away.
You can tune me out and say what I said is useless.
However..........
You can't deny a fact.
And that fact was that basically a B scale existed for FOs with LOA 50. You had regular FOs making a certain contractual rate, and then downgraded CAs to FOs making a LOA 50 rate which was their Captain rate. So to recap, you have First Officers in both cases, flying right seat, doing the same job as every other FO, but some making FO wages and some making CA wages. That's two scales and basically fits a good definition of "B-scale." You can justify whatever you want however you want, but the fact remains that it is what it is: Same exact aircraft and seat, yet different scale.
I'll add this, Shyguy. You don't work for Endeavor. You never have. Pinnacle doesn't exist, same with Mesaba and Colgan. This is a new airline with completely different management, contract, union reps, most procedures, and a large number of aircraft. Referencing what happened during contract negotiations at 9e years ago would be like a Northwest guy saying that DL's contract is unfair because of some previous Northwest situation.
9E's past is irrelevant. So is XJ and 9L. None of them exist. Move on. Extending an existing LOA does not harm ANYONE. It only benefits, and shows a commitment to pilots who are currently on property.
Correct, I was 9E not Endeavor. As for the bolded portion, how do you define large? Certainly not as large as it was in 2010, 2011, and 2012. The past history is not that long ago. You referencing NWA was a merger in 2008 and irrelevant here. The fact is 9E FOs were denied a LOA that would increase wages for years 1 and 2, and then later once the situation deteriorated and CAs were being downgraded and the company desperate, downgraded guys got to keep their CA rate while flying as FOs. It's just wrong what happened, and to understand that, one has to look at the historical context. Anyway extending this LOA 50 wasn't so much the issue as the issue of LOA 50 itself and what it allowed.