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Old 12-06-2015 | 09:23 AM
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Scott Stoops
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
If I do some quick maths, at around $200,000 for the average UAL pilot (which will be close after the proposed pay raise), you are looking at a 15% raise over the current contract (16-3-2 vs. 3-3). That's about $60,000k per pilot, or approximately $720,000,000 over the life of the extension. That doesn't include the fact that there is an additional 15% added to our 16% BC fund.

Is that enough for the leverage we have? That's for the MEC and potentially us to decide. The MC and the negotiating committee think it is, and since they are the ones with the books open I tend to trust their judgement.

Could we do better by waiting for a full Section 6? Perhaps. But I'm looking around the room and seeing some pretty weak deals offered at SWA and DAL, and NO deal at UPS. All these airlines are negotiating during unheard of profits and operational performance. I just don't know if Section 6 is the open checkbook that some believe it will be. And God help us if the economy changes in the next 2-4 years while we are negotiating it. Then we just squandered $720,000,000+ of pilot money.

I can respect your opinion Scott, that we would be better served by waiting for Section 6. But I don't think those that would ultimately vote for the deal have "questionable SA". Just a different perspective and calculation of how much leverage we actually have. It's a basic risk reward calculation.
I respect your opinion as well, but what I see is a bunch of pilots that are endorsing something they haven't seen as a sure thing and a great deal based on as you said - basic math. That is absolutely questionable SA. It is much bigger than that. We are getting the cart way too far ahead of the horse if we once again look only at pay rates and get a big smile on our faces, disregarding the specifics.

If history holds, the MEC will gloss over the specifics and sell this as industry leading. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. But to be endorsing something as substantial as FAR 117 extensions and FRMS changes without fully understanding their ramifications by looking forward to a 13% pay raise is short sighted. We are nothing if not predictable.

Scott
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