Originally Posted by Tuck

My question that has never been answered (kudos to Tony for putting out some great leg work in attempting to back in 2013 though), is why did ALPA think that a bill changing the mandatory retirement age would somehow protect the CBA written defined benefit guarantees or that they needed protection? The two have nothing to do with each other and the rationale that Tony presents here does nothing to make one thing otherwise.

Here is the guarantee that the ALPA supported age 65 bill that Tony writes from his earlier post (see link above) that is pertinent:

"Ensuring that, under a defined benefit retirement plan, a change to the Age 60 Rule will not reduce a participant’s or beneficiary’s accrued benefit nor reduce a benefit to which a participant or beneficiary would have been entitled without enactment of such a change to the Rule."

Here is the only verbiage I can find from the law in question HR 4343 Fair Treatment of Pilots https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...ZLyLRw&cad=rja that even mentions something close to what he's talking about

"‘‘(f) AMENDMENTS TO LABOR AGREEMENTS AND BENEFIT
PLANS.—Any amendment to a labor agreement or benefit plan
of an air carrier that is required to conform with the requirements
of this section or a regulation issued to carry out this section,
and is applicable to pilots represented for collective bargaining,
shall be made by agreement of the air carrier and the designated
bargaining representative of the pilots of the air carrier."

I'm not sure how that protects the defined benefit plans since no changes to any DB plan by any carrier would be required in order to conform with this law.

I might be wrong and generally don't want to take on Tony with his knowledge and memory but I'm not seeing any connection whatsoever here.

Originally Posted by Tuck

Tony - there is absolutely nothing in the law that passed that offers the protection you discuss. Nothing. The actual law is very short - I offered a current link to it. Find me the part that provides the protections you speak of. I know what you have said it provides but show me what part of the law speaks to it. I may have missed it but I tried to post the only section I could find that was even close and it says absolutely nothing close to what you are saying.