While I agree that this would be a 'decent' final product for our next TA, I believe that 50% + 1 would vote for these pay rates without any QOL 'plus' ups. I think most would accept the FO LCA being conceded. I actually think they would give up a few percent of PS, too. As long as sick leave is left alone, there seem to be plenty of older guys that would take that pay raise and let the rest go.

I appreciate everybody saying that this is barely good enough for our end state, but most of you were saying you were worried the old guys would accept the last one with 8, 6(0), 3, 3 if the sick leave changes weren't in there.

I hope we stand strong for no QOL concessions, but anytime you throw money at the group, unity breaks down.