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Old 01-13-2016 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BATOL
To be fair, hasn't it been a major focus of past negotiations to take back scope from the regionals and get mainline metal doing that flying? That's exactly what the 717's and likely the 190's are doing. How many two class RJ's at United? I see an awful lot of them. I thought those small airplanes where what you wanted? Granted more widebody's is always great, I just mean I'm surprised to hear complaining about getting what you wanted.

...oh wait, never mind, we're pilots 😏
We want both.

A lot was lost on the bottom end and we want that rectified and a lot is actively being lost and given away on the top end, and we want that to stop and be reversed.

I had a A330B in the jumpseat not long ago who, if correct, said that EB had told his crew personally on a flight to LHR that we made 75% of the profit on a VA codeshare and he was going to LHR to persuade them to do more. And the pilot thought that was a good thing, for PS and all... whichI bet they wouldn't mind giving away because its at risk pay but I'm putting words in their mouth. So when I say active, I mean active.

Imho, you should own 100% of your flying for brand and quality control. But airlines actively pursue outsourcing as a cost control even if it costs more than it saves.
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Old 01-13-2016 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
Darby got it wrong too! We're still well below our old pay rates!
Is he still a 717 DGS instructor?
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Old 01-13-2016 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid


Imho, you should own 100% of your flying for brand and quality control. But airlines actively pursue outsourcing as a cost control even if it costs more than it saves.
And they will keep doing so. RA has said many times publicly that in lieu of relaxed foreign ownership laws that 'virtual mergers' were the next best thing. In fact, they may even be better. So expect more of the same, and as you said, that means it's up to us to make sure we get our fair share of the production balance.
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Old 01-13-2016 | 04:44 PM
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http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da.../image_017.jpg

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http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da.../image_019.jpg

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http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da.../image_021.jpg

The investor day presentation has it all, just listened to it again. More equity investments to come. Virgin is the model. After AeroMexico, GOL is next up. The Jet deal could be the precursor to the next one. With the ME carriers dealing with low oil prices, Etihad might be willing to sell Delta it's 24% or more (it was 24% in 2013) share to shut them up about government intervention.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da..._8k-ex9901.htm

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Old 01-14-2016 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Very pro-pilot article here... hope the newswires pick it up.

Pilots Demand a Larger Slice of Airline Pie - Bloomberg Business
Ha Spirit 1st year pay is higher than United and Delta 1st year pay? I call bullsheit on that chart.
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Old 01-14-2016 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Ha Spirit 1st year pay is higher than United and Delta 1st year pay? I call bullsheit on that chart.

Hard to do when Spirit's first year rate is $38/hr (according to APC) vs. $70 for Delta.
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Old 01-14-2016 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
And they will keep doing so. RA has said many times publicly that in lieu of relaxed foreign ownership laws that 'virtual mergers' were the next best thing. In fact, they may even be better. So expect more of the same, and as you said, that means it's up to us to make sure we get our fair share of the production balance.
Well, the good news is we're doing that.
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