What pay chart would you compare them to? We do have a different banding system but the bands only seem to favor UAL on the 767-400. They only have 16 of them. The 757 is probably the largest common fleet between the airlines. Would you not compare their 757 rate to ours?
I am fairly certain that if you compared total pilot payroll under the failed TA verses the UAL TA the failed TA would have a higher value. My point is that I keep hearing pilots discuss how good the UAL TA is for us. I don't see it helping at all with the NMB. It does increase UAL's overall costs so it might make management more willing to cough up some money. Still I think a stronger message to Delta and UAL management would be a rejection. It might also send a message to the NMB.

 

Sorry to keep butting in, but also keep in mind that not only does UAL have a significantly higher number of top paying (747/777/787) positions, we also don't have anything paying below 737-700 like the 717, so we have more pilots on a higher pay scale. Don't get me wrong, all of us at UAL would love your SL policy, and your Min/Day and training pay, but just trying to show how a pilot in the same seniority is quite possibly in a higher pay band at UAL due to our fleet mix.

 

To be fair, hasn't it been a major focus of past negotiations to take back scope from the regionals and get mainline metal doing that flying? That's exactly what the 717's and likely the 190's are doing. How many two class RJ's at United? I see an awful lot of them. I thought those small airplanes where what you wanted? Granted more widebody's is always great, I just mean I'm surprised to hear complaining about getting what you wanted.

...oh wait, never mind, we're pilots 😏

 

Thanks, that's a great read for somebody with no background in the management-labor contract process.

 

Batol,

I think you are mis-reading. No one is upset small airplanes are coming to mainline. That's a great thing.

But, perspective...something I didn't really understand (academically yes, practically no) until we got the 717...some airplanes are behind you. What I mean is, as you get more senior, there are aircraft who's QOL and pay, are both lower (in the left seat) than what you have now.

This kind of removes or at least reduces the impact of small jet scope recapture for more senior pilots. Recapture is great. There was a time when I was willing to expend significant negotiating capital for rj scope recapture. At this point, it seems like a fait accompli, just give it time. It's still a great thing.

What delta needs now is top end organic expansion. If that happens, I cannot imagine the positive effects that would ripple through the entire seniority list. And no, I'm not willing to give concessions to make that happen.

 

Must have been a great time at SWA in 1980, FA's had to wear "hot pants" and they were doubled up in rooms during layovers!

 

Very pro-pilot article here... hope the newswires pick it up.

Pilots Demand a Larger Slice of Airline Pie - Bloomberg Business

 

Is the PEB the same as PEB! PEB! PEB! ?

 

^^^ Yeah, that makes sense. Thx!

 

Darby got it wrong too! We're still well below our old pay rates!