New Contract Opener 22 Dec 15
01-11-2016 | 05:09 PM
#271
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Pretty much....Alaska tried arbitration several years ago with pilot-unfriendly results. Arbitrators are judges without a robe - their decisions are final and are extremely hard to appeal, much less overturn. Mediators are more of a warm milk and Oreos group that want the parties to hug and maybe sing some Kumbaya.
. I know the difference between the two but didn't know that we'd only mediate. I assume the reason behind this would be overly company-friendly arbitrators would not give us a fair shake?
01-11-2016 | 05:20 PM
#272
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From: A320 Left seat
Pretty much....Alaska tried arbitration several years ago with pilot-unfriendly results. Arbitrators are judges without a robe - their decisions are final and are extremely hard to appeal, much less overturn. Mediators are more of a warm milk and Oreos group that want the parties to hug and maybe sing some Kumbaya.
If we end up in binding arbitration and don't like the final result we could always pull a page from USAirways playbook.
01-11-2016 | 05:24 PM
#273
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01-11-2016 | 05:59 PM
#274
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01-11-2016 | 08:30 PM
#275
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From: Poodle Whisperer
I would prefer the UAL TA does not pass. The entire mediation process is geared to driving the solution to industry average. Overall if you applied the United TA rates to our fleet the rates are lower then our rejected TA. We can talk all day about the 330 rate but if you look at the other rates it's not good!
UAL 767-254
Delta TA1 260
UAL 757-245
Delta TA1 260
UAL 737-235
Delta TA1 250
UAL A320-245 A319-235
Delta TA1 241
These should be sobering numbers. Delta management would jump at these payrates. I would prefer UAL to go back to the table!
UAL 767-254
Delta TA1 260
UAL 757-245
Delta TA1 260
UAL 737-235
Delta TA1 250
UAL A320-245 A319-235
Delta TA1 241
These should be sobering numbers. Delta management would jump at these payrates. I would prefer UAL to go back to the table!
By the way, their freezes are less onerous than we have now all across the board already.
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01-11-2016 | 08:58 PM
#276
Runs with scissors
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Their profit sharing is the same that we have currently. They sold back zero profit sharing to get those rates, so you're not comparing it properly. Not to mention when factoring in profit sharing, they come ahead of our TA.
By the way, their freezes are less onerous than we have now all across the board already.
By the way, their freezes are less onerous than we have now all across the board already.
Yeah, there's that.
Delta is the world's biggest small airplane Major airline.
Last edited by Timbo; 01-11-2016 at 09:40 PM. Reason: quote alignment- grammar correction...Dude, seriously?
01-12-2016 | 01:55 AM
#278
veut gagner à la loterie
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From: Light Chop
What do they have, like over 100 777s and 744s?
But, you know what they dont have?
Redneck Rockets bought off liquidation.
01-12-2016 | 05:33 AM
#280
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What I don't get is why you have it out to sandbag your fellow pilots.
Somehow your ilk cannot compute concessions and profit sharing giveaways. I just flew with a guy who kept touting how much he's lost in wages from not accepting TA15. I asked him how much he calculated for the loss in PS and the other concessions and he had no answer.
This is exactly why your in the 35 percentile, very bad at math. I think it's time for you to listen to the smart guys in the room instead of blowing your horn.
If you can't do that, then just listen. You clearly don't get it.
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