Originally Posted by
SpreadEagle
I would put a little more value in this data than in RW's predictions, with the exception of the total pilot staffing chart. I don't think Envoy is going to be able to retain 360 new hires for the year. I also believe that if the company were to offer more money, it wouldn't be for pilots already on property. They will try to entice more new hires with some sort of creative stepped bonus plan. The point being, there is absolutely no reason to come to envoy right now, unless you want to live in DFW or ORD, possibly...? There are other carriers that have bases in those locations offering shorter upgrade times with better QOL. We need to have some serious attrition for the QOL of life to get better for our own pilots. This flying 68 hour average hard line value and having 45% of your ENTIRE pilot group on reserve is RIDICULOUS! This just shows how overstaffed we have been and that the company should've furloughed. Unfortunately that would've activated the 100% flow to AA clause, something obviously AA did not want. I can see how reserve might be attractive for you if you are senior enough on reserve and want to get paid 75 hours a month for not working. This is a terrible organization to work for, they enjoy blowing smoke up the a$$#$$ of the pilot group and then laughing at them behind closed doors. Make no mistake, the management here absolutely despises their labor force. Very evident with the number of disciplinary terminations, constant contractual abuse, paired with the "fly it and grieve it," attitude.
I don't know how many times, or how many ways one could tell potential new hires to:
"STAY AWAY FROM ENVOY AIRLINES! YOU WILL HATE AND LOATHE YOURSELF FOR WORKING HERE!"
but I guess some people just have to learn the hard way...
So, flying 65 hrs and getting paid 72...jummmmmm seems that someone can't live withting his/her means. I bid 65hr 14/15 days off lines, it means less work for more money. That with cancelationa somewhere in the month it's better. But hey I'm just a half full glass type of guy.
And you think every other regional is not the same? Every pilot, doesn't matter which airline, is just a number. You can quit, go somewhere and it will be the same. You can make $150k in a major and will never be enough, pilots want everything they expect and more. When something doesn't go according to our expectations is not good. So at the end the grass is always greener in other place.
People have the right to go where they want to. Now here's a question, how is your QOL better if there's no one new?
And that's why other carriers pilots don't want envoy to succeed, because we still have a big chunk of the pie. Like someone said before, other contracts carriers will go away before envoy.