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Old 03-20-2016, 01:52 PM
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AdiosMikeFox
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Originally Posted by Shiner View Post
A lot of y'all are looking at this backwards. If Envoy can't staff, that means each pilot they have becomes more valuable. It also means they will be more likely to increase compensation and ease work rules to hang on to everyone they've got.

Head on over to the Mesa thread where current pilots are telling newhires to stay away, so they can get a better contract. Less newhires = more leverage for current pilots, not less.

Also, if the contractual flow is violated, Envoy attrition will probably spike and they would lose more than the 25/month that were flowing.

You guys can't sit here and say, "flow is a carrot, and guys are only staying for the flow." Then turn around and say that the company will shut off the flow and every one will just sit here and wait for it to start again. If they shut it down, many senior FO's down to new FO's will see this as sign of what's to come and bail very quickly.

Maybe you should apply for a management position, you sound like you'd treat the people ok.

This is ENY, and all things being equal management here will choose the option that costs less in the immediate term and ignore the long term. The flow is constantly on the chopping block because it's a way to control us.

Flow has been, and is being sacrificed, to sweep management's issues under the rug.

It'd be just as likely for them to make everyone here leave until the airline needs to be shut down by their measure, then re-hire all those experienced pilots for cheap at one of the other WO carriers.

It'd be nice if I could believe your predictions, but when push comes to shove ENY has always thrown employees under the bus to accomplish what they want. If there are bonuses, they are the minimum required to keep things running. Never enough to actually change attitudes.
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