I was not part of the vote that got the company where it is today. What I'm saying is the people that did make that vote are the same ones asking for more now. That group took the small increase in flow and quick upgrades and now want the junior FOs to suffer for further gains for them. I have not advocated trading money for growth. What I am saying is that the same people that did trade pay for growth are now hurting junior pilots by being selfish and wanting more. This whole idea that less new hires means futures gains is probably not true. PSA doubled in size and now has a very junior pilot group doing a lot of flying for American. If we did not grow another bit this could still be considered a success for American. What is to stop them from just accepting we won't be a 150 airplane airline? What is to stop them from giving more money to only new hires? Word from the MEC call is we're losing about 6 total pilots a month. The new bonuses for now seem to be taking care of that as long as we don't grow. Our plan for making American give us more because they need is only works if American isn't willing to give our planes and flying away and last time I checked American has no problems doing either.